Curse

Kampfkeks · Aug 27, 2005, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Okay as a lot of other folks i've been pvping a lot due to the PVPX Event so far. All is fine with a single exception concerned mesmers. I noticed a strange but global hate leaning towards mesmers.
Mesmers now allways get the most harsh comments of them all and in many a two battles i've seen them getting targetted before the monks. This is totally normal and quite a strategy. However there is a thing i do not understand but noticed many times. Why exactly is there so much hate coming from the own team?
Speaking about targetted anyways... when a battle was lost.. it was not me to get blamed for "poor healing skills" but the mesmer for poor mesmerizing the enemy!?

I had a battle where a mesmer brought IW and kindly asked if any of the blade warriors brought hundred blades (my guess is to mimic it) and she got no answer at all. Later in that battle i saw one of those warriors use hundred blades. Could anyone explain that behavior to me? He clearly had his channels activated because he was chatting around a lot, but just ignored the mesmer all together.

Another situation, another mesmer, another battle. Someone on our team died and the mesmer ressed him asap and was doing an overall great job too. However the time came where he died without me being able to do much about it for i was getting constantly hit by warriors. Did anyone of my team res him? Not at all, just again the total ignorance towards mesmer. Even though they know their danger to the other teams (by targetting them first). I actually had to break healing to bring her back to live (i know, a bad move but i was just fooling around with a build anyways). Thats when another person died and got ressed asap. So there clearly was a signet spare, why no res of the mesmer?

Another situation, another place... no mesmer this time.
I overheard a conversation in the outposts stating that mesmers were totally noob and only noobs would choose that class. And the sad thing was... there were so many of them agreeing on that.

So, did you experience similiar things?
Is it just the new flavor of the month to hate thy mesmer, friend or foe? Or could it be a side effect of the large influx of really bad pvpers due to the PVPX Event?

Fantus · Aug 27, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

No, it's not only due to PvP weekend. My mesmer went through Ascesion recently and she NEVER partied with anyone else except henchies and guildmates. I have heard that there are people actually taking Mesmers into their groups but it seem it needs much more patience than I have.

And, yes - in PvP I have experienced some of the same things you mentioned. I guess it's because some people still don't really know what a Mesmer can do and so they have to suck. Note to some PvP players I have met: If that enemy monk goes down in seconds you still can safely believe that your Mesmer didn't have anything to do with it... ArenaNet designed them to be useless, you know...

Morganas · Aug 27, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

I get more complaints from the *enemy* when playing my mesmer than any other class, feels pretty good.

The hate from your own party MUST be due to pvpx weekend, mesmers normally get more love then any other class. If you really want people to like you, let them know to target the monk last. Once they see the obvious lack of healing going on, they'll know you're doing something.

Age · Aug 27, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

I hate seeing PVEer in PVP areas as they mess it all up they don't go after castors.I don't care about ascended char. It has nothing to do with PvP as far as I am concerned the halls of heros should be for PvP char. only no PvE.

Kampfkeks · Aug 27, 2005, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Yeah, but i stopped playing mesmer a while ago because i like the role of a healer much more. Still my mesmer was my first class to complete the game with... maybe that is why i respect that class so much.

Hehe, when i'm forming parties in those mission outposts the first class to ask for is allways a mesmer and a necromancer. Surprisingly enough, just by asking for those two classes publically and showing i'm willed to have them on my team.. i tend to get an overall better party. Not just the mesmer or necromancer but the skill and brain level of those other classes that want to join seems to be higher when asking for those two classes.

However, judging from my own mesmer PVE and PVP Experience (still have all mesmer skills unlocked XD) i found that very disturbing to have that hate swapping over from PVE to PVP... and thats why i decided to put up this thread to discuss if it is either a side-effect of the PVPX Event or a new trend. I really do hope it is due to the PVPX Event and most of those ignorant folks just head back to their missions...
Ignoring the mesmer, friend or foe is just deadly... towards them or you...

Mercury Angel · Aug 27, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

In PvE, Mesmer was my first character.
I had to sell myself out as a support healer, and bring barebones control skills to handle the bosses.

Not once did anyone realize the reason bosses didn't keep healing themselves because they got hit with Diversion.

And this went all the way back to when the Summit Beastmaster quest had a level 28 boss that could outheal most of the party's damage at that point with its Healing Signet. Nobody noticed it stopped using healing, they just cheered about themselves 'pwning' it.

It's hard to see how much control someone else is exerting, to be fair.

As for Random Arenas, I don't comment about other people at all, except to make minor suggestions to improving the pre-made ones. Like today, when I explained how crappy Searing Heat is to an E/R. Those, I've seen, and tried at one point to see how they handle.

But other people's builds, unless I die early and nobody resurrects me, I don't know. And even if I did, I couldn't be an accurate judge of how well they use their builds without being an observer the whole match.

So in other words, I'd say it's a pretty normal part of people thinking they know more than you do about your skills, the purpose of your character, and how it handles.

Shusky · Aug 27, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

A mesmer that knows what he's doing is one of those things I really don't want to run into. They are generally, same as necros, ignored because elementalist can make spells that are more shiny.

As for own party hate, that's often happening with all that's not a monk. I wouldn't care too much about an ordinary pug

Banebow · Aug 27, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Can't say that I have noticed any hate towards my mesmer yet, even in comp arenas where I expect to be jeered at.

As Shusky said, and I agree with him, I would choose to fight any other class over a mesmer. They are just incredibly good at shutting down/killing someone.

You probably get a lot of the hate because no one sees big damage spikes from you. You don't do massive digets of damage, you must be horrible, right? sure...

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Originally Posted by Age

I hate seeing PVEer in PVP areas as they mess it all up they don't go after castors.I don't care about ascended char. It has nothing to do with PvP as far as I am concerned the halls of heros should be for PvP char. only no PvE.

I have 4 PvE characters, one account. I do HoH. You are lumping every PvE player into one large catagory, labeled 'idiot newb here'. I am sorry that the groups you meet are bad, but your idea of only letting pvp characters into HoH is one of the silliest I have ever heard

Morganas · Aug 27, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Can't say that I have noticed any hate towards my mesmer yet, even in comp arenas where I expect to be jeered at.

As Shusky said, and I agree with him, I would choose to fight any other class over a mesmer. They are just incredibly good at shutting down/killing someone.

You probably get a lot of the hate because no one sees big damage spikes from you. You don't do massive digets of damage, you must be horrible, right? sure...

I have 4 PvE characters, one account. I do HoH. You are lumping every PvE player into one large catagory, labeled 'idiot newb here'. I am sorry that the groups you meet are bad, but your idea of only letting pvp characters into HoH is one of the silliest I have ever heard

If a player is incapable of remaking his character to suit the team build, he's gimped in pvp, and that's why only pvp chars should be allowed in pvp areas.

Elena · Aug 27, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Morganas

If a player is incapable of remaking his character to suit the team build, he's gimped in pvp, and that's why only pvp chars should be allowed in pvp areas.

the only vailid reason i see for not letting pve people in tombs would be not having max armour

Oni No Arashi · Aug 27, 2005, 10:25 PM // 22:25

And they're all gimped?
I can change my PVE builds to suit as I need to.
I have 4 PVE slots full.
Just started a new mesmer after deleting my warrior.

The key thing isn't lumping all of one group together. I like doing both sides of the game, and know many others who do also.

Again, sorry you've not had good times with others, but just because it's a PVE character doesn't mean that it's a bad player who can't adapt to the group at hand.

Morganas · Aug 27, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Even with all rp slots full, you won't have every possible primary covered, and won't be able to do every job or have every build on call. I can't see a single reason why people can't leave their pvp slot open and have infinite adaptability.

Someone with all slots filled with rp characters can certainly pvp, but they won't be able to do it as well as the sort of pvper who remakes their character constantly, learning every single build and role and coming up with their own on the fly.

Luggage · Aug 27, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

There should be a dedicated pvp slot that you cant put a rp toon in.

βlitzkrieg · Aug 27, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

My mesmer will always be loved, as long as I win for the team.

The ignorance is probably because of the X-Treme weekend. People think "If we lose it doesn't matter. There are heaps of groups around, and all I want is to kill people for faction.".

Shayul · Aug 27, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I always search for a Shutdown or Energy Denial mesmer when putting together a group.

Then again, I'm a healing monk, so I tend to notice their affects more. A lot more.

trelloskilos · Aug 27, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

The only hate for mesmers coming from me is that I know that if there's one on the enemy team, it's practically a foegone conclusion.

I play a ranger, and like a mesmer, can influence the balance of the teams with just a single trap, distracting shot, spirit or attack skill. (Just watch the warriors suddenly bleed, burn, poison and blind when they approach my monk)

But the mesmer has the edge over me. With their energy sapping skills, I become no better than a warrior with a bow, weaker armour and no skills to speak of. Most other classes can deal damage, but only a mesmer can turn the mightiest of smiters into an ineffectual and vulnerable player in a very short time.

Bastards!

Rhunex · Aug 28, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01

I target mesmers because i never know if they're going anti-caster or anti-warrior, and it doesnt really matter which set of skills they're focusing on at the moment, i target them so they dont drain my energy or cast backfire on me. plus mesmers have 0 resistance to my ice or fire builds, and i can take them out fairly quickly. all i need is time to shoot off inferno and flame burst, and should they survive those and run away i use mind burn on them. and even if mind burn doesnt hit both times, it kills them. so i mainly attack mesmers cuz they're weak

after that i just go c + 1, tab + 1, tab + 1 to find the next person whos weak to my skills(1 usually has the low cost, fast recharge spell like flare or lightning javelin) and then i just harrass whoever takes the highest % of damage

Savio · Aug 28, 2005, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks

I had a battle where a mesmer brought IW and kindly asked if any of the blade warriors brought hundred blades (my guess is to mimic it) and she got no answer at all. Later in that battle i saw one of those warriors use hundred blades. Could anyone explain that behavior to me? He clearly had his channels activated because he was chatting around a lot, but just ignored the mesmer all together.

If this was PvP, why was she using IW, and why did he have Hundred Blades? Just a thought.

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Another situation, another mesmer, another battle. Someone on our team died and the mesmer ressed him asap and was doing an overall great job too. However the time came where he died without me being able to do much about it for i was getting constantly hit by warriors. Did anyone of my team res him? Not at all, just again the total ignorance towards mesmer. Even though they know their danger to the other teams (by targetting them first). I actually had to break healing to bring her back to live (i know, a bad move but i was just fooling around with a build anyways). Thats when another person died and got ressed asap. So there clearly was a signet spare, why no res of the mesmer?

If you're joining PUGs, most regular Joes (not the Joe) have little to no respect for Mesmers.

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Another situation, another place... no mesmer this time.
I overheard a conversation in the outposts stating that mesmers were totally noob and only noobs would choose that class. And the sad thing was... there were so many of them agreeing on that.

More noobs. There's a reason why people target them after monks.

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So, did you experience similiar things?
Is it just the new flavor of the month to hate thy mesmer, friend or foe? Or could it be a side effect of the large influx of really bad pvpers due to the PVPX Event?

I'd have to go with the influx of bad PvPers. There will always be noobs who don't see the influence Mesmers have on the battlefield.

Banebow · Aug 28, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Morganas

Even with all rp slots full, you won't have every possible primary covered, and won't be able to do every job or have every build on call. I can't see a single reason why people can't leave their pvp slot open and have infinite adaptability.

I hope you are not being serious.

player A invites players B and C into his group.
player A: pvp character, all skills unlocked
player B: pve character, only has ranger, warrior, monk, and mesmer skills unlocked, is on his ranger pve character
player C: pvp character, all skills unlocked

"player A: B, I need you to run a ranger with *insert skills here*
player B: You got it.
player A: C, I need you to run a mesmer interrupter
player C: sorry man, I cant interrupt worth anything
player A: ...then why say you can run any build?"

Get the point? A PvE player has large experience using his or her class. Would you trust a healing monk who has only put in about 2 hours total with the class, or someone who has done 100+?

Having all the skills does not mean that YOU have the skill needed to use them.
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On topic (sort of) I had a guy say this, and no I am not joking.
"Don't get the ranger. rangers suck"
So I figure it is only a matter of time before I hear the same about mesmers.

One instance I have noticed it in however, and while it is not said it can be infered, is HoH. It is nearly impossible for my mesmer to find an HoH group, give whatever reason you wish, I am putting it down to lack of intelligence on most of the groups their right now. Tis sad really, I rarely have as much fun as when I am slaughtering a monk

Hippie Crack · Aug 28, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

If a player using a PvE char has max armor, has all the attributes, and can run the skills/weapon mods required for the team, i have no problem with it. Mesmer is an amazing class, my team uses 2 of them as the primary killers. And yea, this PvPx has deff brought shitloads of noober groups into the tombs, i've accumulated well over 60k faction and about 200 fame since it started.